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Tuesday, September 30, 2008

For Dobbs, wrong convictions: repost from ebay

Wrongful convictions or bearing false witness. (FOR A TALK AROUND SENIOR FEMALE)
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Posted Sep-06-08 17:39:27 PDTLast night an interesting conversation took place between myself and another. Basically the story given by this blogger was she was giving facts whereas, I was bragging about education, experience, and talking down to others.
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"I DID NOT SAY YOUR NAME."
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Yet, when I put her comments within her blog thread and from a male blogger's post including similiar comments from my own. The above phrase was offered as a whimsical faulty reasoning. So, this got me thinking.
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If said blogger, a devout Christain was not in fact talking about me then she was "bearing false witness" against another thus breaking the 9th Commandment of the Bible. In the days of ancient Hebrews, the 'WITNESS' who gave testimony thus became another person's prosecutor. And in ancient times an accused person could be PUT TO DEATH over a malicious person "bearing false witness."
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After reading this and reflecting, that by 'talking around' and not actually saying or typing a person's name does not absolve a person from always telling the truth when confronted. In my opinion, lying against another fits into the 9th Commandment.
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So, as I sit here and ask myself. Have you committed this act? I am positive I have, thing is when I am questioned. As uncomfortable as I find myself feeling at the confrontation I will tell the truth.
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Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour. (Exodus 20:16)
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Back to topdinnersreadyjayc ( 1882) Not a registered userView seller's items | View Blogwhatever, no one cares
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saenzmom ( 537) View seller's items | View BlogSMOOCHES dinners
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observations-of-life ( 3407) View seller's items | View Blogvery well put and thought provoking.That's going to take some mulling over.Thanks
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crouchingprairiedog ( 41) View seller's items | View BlogHi Momma...(((hugs))))


<----understands the point completely..:0)

((((((waves(((((((

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shelld0n ( 0 ) View seller's items | View Blogall of us fall short from being perfect, that's why we should be grateful for what Jesus did for us and that His Father allowed him to come here on the earth.
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Back to tophealthyjerky4u ( 841) View seller's items | View Blog*pondering that thought*

When I usually want to talk about a person, in public setting...I most definitely will use their name (eBay id) within the context, either in the title of the post or my comment...Beating around the bush is just plain immature and a waste of time...JMHO...

Have a great day >:0)

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neverbrandedneverbroke ( 983) View seller's items | View BlogI have no idea what the bible says, but IMO if I say something that is directed at another I will tell them if they ask had I not already done so in my original thought/response/post.

bearing false witness....that sounds a bit strong, but, again I don't know the bible so I'm not sure of the biblical meaning of the phrase.

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pegonthe-bay ( 466) View seller's items | View BlogAlso in ancient times, a woman did not speak unless she was spoken to and could also be put to death for that.
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shelld0n ( 0 ) View seller's items | View Blogdon't remember ever reading that in the Bible
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saenzmom ( 537) View seller's items | View BlogAfternoon, OBS

CPD, I also take the petty gossiping and egging on bloggers to fight as the same thing. A form of lying thus 'false witness.'

Shelld0n, It is when we don't recognize our own faults and mistakes when trouble gets deep.

Healthy,

True, you do "call" people out by name when it is in your vested interest. However see above comment to CPD. JMHO & you have a wonderful day.

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Back to topsaenzmom ( 537) View seller's items | View BlogNBNB The meaning is basically TELLING LIES.
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saenzmom ( 537) View seller's items | View BlogShelld0n, Some read the Bible; some study this history behind it.
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saenzmom ( 537) View seller's items | View Blogthis = the

for the spelling/grammar po po

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neverbrandedneverbroke ( 983) View seller's items | View BlogAnd men were castrated in special social classes............
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pegonthe-bay ( 466) View seller's items | View Blognever said it was in the bible


many laws weren't in the bible

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Back to toppegonthe-bay ( 466) View seller's items | View BlogThose were Eunichs
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shelld0n ( 0 ) View seller's items | View Blogunderstood saenzmom but I can't see Jesus teaching for women not being able to speak unless spoken to. The apostles one time tried to keep children from approaching Jesus but Jesus said to allow them
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neverbrandedneverbroke ( 983) View seller's items | View BlogOh, if it means a straight up lie hell no I don't do that....Ask me and I'll tell you the truth, even if you don't want to hear it....or you can just delete it because the truth does sting some a bit too deeply ;)
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shelld0n ( 0 ) View seller's items | View Blogall laws were in the Bible, maybe you're thinking of man made laws, whereas I'm thinking of God given laws.
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healthyjerky4u ( 841) View seller's items | View BlogBut, it can't be a ONE person perfected effort...

That also includes ALL "behind the scenes" BS...

Since that all relates in some way...Just thinking...

So let's all refrain from anything petty and life on the blogs will be "perfect"...

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Back to topsaenzmom ( 537) View seller's items | View BlogShelld0n,

Those rules come much later in the OLD TESTAMENT. But, the silence thing is not. It was having a position of authority in the church.

Teaching or Preaching

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prettythings.2007 ( 280) View seller's items | View Blogjust pondering being confused and maybe greatful I missed something! :) LOL hey everyone! hope all is well...

OMG peg! ROLFMAO!!!!! welcome to the new milinium! :)

we will all know when obs is done pondering, as this post will be pasted into his blog along with his "thoughts" from the pondering! Cannot wait to read it! :)

my philosophy is "laughter is the best medicine, but honesty is a measure of true character!"

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saenzmom ( 537) View seller's items | View BlogNBNB She said HELL NO!
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neverbrandedneverbroke ( 983) View seller's items | View BlogJudaism and Islam as well, Peg as well as some followers of early Christianity considered castration as an acceptable way to counter sinful desires of the flesh. Origen is reported by Eusebius to have castrated himself based on his reading of the Gospel of Matthew 19:12
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saenzmom ( 537) View seller's items | View BlogTrue this statement, "But, it can't be a ONE person perfected effort... "
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Back to toppegonthe-bay ( 466) View seller's items | View BlogI commented about "ancient times" not the bible


and yes that was a man made law based on the bible and the interpretation of the bible.

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neverbrandedneverbroke ( 983) View seller's items | View BlogLOL Mal that reminds of the movie the Apostle with Duvall...I LOVE that movie!
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saenzmom ( 537) View seller's items | View BlogPretty, I can't wait to see the post too. He usually has some interesting insights. ROFL Don't condone them all but agree with some.
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shelld0n ( 0 ) View seller's items | View Blogthat's contradictoring isn't it? man made law based on the Bible....
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saenzmom ( 537) View seller's items | View BlogNBNB I LOVE THAT MOVIE
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Back to toppegonthe-bay ( 466) View seller's items | View BlogDon't get me wrong pretty, I unlike some men from these blogs thinks its perfectly ok for the woman to "wear the pants"


and men and women are equals, even though society doesn't see it that way.

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prettythings.2007 ( 280) View seller's items | View BlogLOL saenzmom... I so know what you mean! :)

peg, too bad we don't live by those laws today! this world would be so different! LOL

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neverbrandedneverbroke ( 983) View seller's items | View BlogStaying on topic with Mals thought...If you dont want the truth do NOT ask the damn question...Ask the question have the nads to not run from the truth...Peg you are guilty of that one buddy.
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pegonthe-bay ( 466) View seller's items | View Blogyes it is contradictory shelldon, as many things are contradictory based on the bible.


such as seperation of church and state, yet we have the word GOD on the U.S. dollar

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prettythings.2007 ( 280) View seller's items | View Blogpeg, I took no offense! :) you should know me better than that by now! I am a little mad that your comment made me laugh, causing my soda to come from my nose! LOL
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Back to toppegonthe-bay ( 466) View seller's items | View BlogSo we were all having a decent conversation here neverbranded until you decided to start pointing fingers
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saenzmom ( 537) View seller's items | View BlogShell, Laws are made to contrain people from straying outside the range of norm.
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neverbrandedneverbroke ( 983) View seller's items | View BlogI dunno know why, but Duvall is hawt IMO lol
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shelld0n ( 0 ) View seller's items | View Blogi agree peg, have you ever looked into the separation and state thing?
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saenzmom ( 537) View seller's items | View BlogPlease keep talking, I need to go close the coop doors.

WILL BE RIGHT BACK

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Back to topneverbrandedneverbroke ( 983) View seller's items | View BlogLOL Yup Peg its all MY fault...you are hilarious.
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pegonthe-bay ( 466) View seller's items | View Blogyes shelldon there have been a lot of different takes on it, from the ten commandments displayed on courthouse lawns to a local thing that I witnessed where a little town had these women who practiced Wiccan, and didn't believe that the Nativity scene belonged on the courthouse lawn either.
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healthyjerky4u ( 841) View seller's items | View Blog<--- knows my "place"...

I will give respect when respect is earned...I know the same goes for me...But, I cannot be a slave to any man, because the "good book" says I should...Times have changed majorly since the Roman "chauvinistic era"...I rather grow up to be a lonely old spinster, then to take any kind of belittling orders from a merciless man...

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pegonthe-bay ( 466) View seller's items | View Blog"Peg you are guilty of that one buddy." <--------- this statement right here makes it your fault yes


as noone was talking badly about anyone until you decided to accuse me of


what is it exactly that you are even accusing me of?

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neverbrandedneverbroke ( 983) View seller's items | View BlogNo, Peg, that statement is FACT LOL.
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Back to toppegonthe-bay ( 466) View seller's items | View BlogI agree with you Healthy, times have changed but there are far too many men that don't agree with or see that and still think a womans place is barefoot, pregnant and at home slaving for her man.


Its a team effort the way I see it

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shelld0n ( 0 ) View seller's items | View Blogthis was fun but daughter just got back with Taco Bell and sand for the gerbil to play with
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pegonthe-bay ( 466) View seller's items | View Blogonly in your mind its fact, do you have proof to back that up?
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neverbrandedneverbroke ( 983) View seller's items | View BlogBTW, "seperation of church and state" is actually from a letter Jefferson wrote and not stated in the constitution, although the implication is clear.
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pegonthe-bay ( 466) View seller's items | View BlogIn fact the bible says the same thing that a man and a woman are a partnership

nowhere in the bible does it say that the man has control over the woman

it says that the man has a duty to the woman and the household and a woman has a duty to her husband and the household


that says equality to me

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Back to topneverbrandedneverbroke ( 983) View seller's items | View BlogAww Peg do you really want to go down that road?
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pegonthe-bay ( 466) View seller's items | View Blogare you googling again? thats almost word for word what wikipedia says
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saenzmom ( 537) View seller's items | View BlogOkay, Sorry farm life called.

I am reading there is some under tones here.

Healthy, That is why I waited to marry later than my peers and have children later as well. By the time I did marry, I was set in my ways.

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pegonthe-bay ( 466) View seller's items | View Blogif you wanna make accusations, than so be it, go down that road


you can't call a statement "fact" without proof to back it up


but before you even do that, you might want to explain your "statement" so it is clear what you are accusing me of being guilty.

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saenzmom ( 537) View seller's items | View BlogOk, This blog turned unhappy.
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Back to tophealthyjerky4u ( 841) View seller's items | View BlogI was trying to communicate happiness and be civil...

But, I guess it wasn't on the mind of other folks...

>:0(

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pegonthe-bay ( 466) View seller's items | View BlogI was just trying to have a conversation here


and than someone pointed fingers and started accusing

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neverbrandedneverbroke ( 983) View seller's items | View BlogJust paste back what I said the other night in your very own blog Peg....Mal wont delete it.

As for what I know, you really are better off leaving that road less traveled ;) I'm not in grade school and your chest bumping 'back it up' bothers me not, I know what I know being fact and that's all I need.

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shelld0n ( 0 ) View seller's items | View Blogi was just trying to get saenzmom to let me borrow her vaccum man
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neverbrandedneverbroke ( 983) View seller's items | View BlogAlso in ancient times, a woman did not speak unless she was spoken to and could also be put to death for that.
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Your first comment, but now you are the one "just trying to have a conversation". Yes that pertained to the topic at hand posted by Mal..You really are full of yourself Peg.

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Back to topsaenzmom ( 537) View seller's items | View BlogHealthy, Who are the other folks?

Loans out TIGHTIE WHITIES to shelld0n.

Waiting for the rest of the story.

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pegonthe-bay ( 466) View seller's items | View Blogthere is no "chest bumping"


there was you accusing me and I asked what you are accusing me of and you still haven't done that, all I hear is excuses and you trying to paste things


so either out with it or go make up lies about other people.

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pegonthe-bay ( 466) View seller's items | View BlogAnd my comment was made to show that there are many different things that happened in ancient times that do not happen today in response to this

"And in ancient times an accused person could be PUT TO DEATH over a malicious person "bearing false witness.""


not sure why you took that personally?

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saenzmom ( 537) View seller's items | View Blogawaiting other party
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pegonthe-bay ( 466) View seller's items | View Blogwell I guess I'm done here it takes 10 minutes for a response. good night
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Back to topsaenzmom ( 537) View seller's items | View BlogPeg, Ancient Hebrew for your last quote from my blog.
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healthyjerky4u ( 841) View seller's items | View BlogMAL, I was referring to NBNB and PEG...

I don't know where the conversation went wrong...

Oh well...Going back to lurking...

Take care...

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saenzmom ( 537) View seller's items | View BlogAnd to counter, "People are on death row who have been accused by a 'false witness.'
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saenzmom ( 537) View seller's items | View BlogHealthy,

If memory serves me, NBNB once asked Peg why he used her name in reference to his sister.

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healthyjerky4u ( 841) View seller's items | View BlogOh, I didn't know about that, mal...

I am really out of the loop on somethings, that happen around blogland...

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Back to topsaenzmom ( 537) View seller's items | View BlogYes, Healthy

He then side stepped the issue when she put a post asking him about a blog he deleted.

I am wondering which ancient cultures he is referring to as well. Women had roles in the early church until I believe the second century when Christianity was expanding its reach. Then again I may be
wrong.

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observations-of-life ( 3407) View seller's items | View BlogI am going to add my two cents on equality here.Pegs you stated and boasted that you call your wife a bitch every day so that means that she calls you a bastard in like kind thus your children are learning this behavior as being acceptable.
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